[LISA LEWIS] The Am I Ok? Podcast is part of the Practice of the Practice network, a network of podcasts seeking to help you market and grow your business and yourself. To hear other podcasts like Faith Fringes, the Holistic Counseling Podcast, and Beta Male Revolution, go to the website, www.practiceofthepractice.com/network. Welcome to the Am I Ok? Podcast, where you will discover that being highly sensitive is something to embrace and it’s actually a gift you bring to the world. We will learn together how to take ownership of your high sensitivity, so you can make positive changes in your life, in the lives of others, and it’s totally okay to feel this way. I’m your host, Lisa Lewis. I’m so glad you’re here for the journey. Welcome to today’s episode of the Am I Ok? Podcast. This is Lisa Lewis, your host. I’m so glad that you’re here listening. I would like to remind all my listeners that I offer a free eight-week email course titled Highly Sensitive People. My email course provides weekly tools that help you feel more whole in a world isn’t exactly made for us and I show you how your sensitivity can be seen as a unique gift and how many others are just like you. To find out more about my email course, please go to my website, amiokpodcast.com. So I’ve been experiencing, for myself and with my clients as a mental health clinician, not feeling quite like myself recently. What I’ve been discovering is there may be this, like the residual effect from the pandemic, and it can feel like undercurrent of anxiety, some sadness, frustration, anger as a result of the last two years of just having to manage emotions, feelings, even maybe physical symptoms through this unprecedented time. I feel like it’s like caught up with me and even my clients are experiencing too, this from the maybe isolation and not being around other people. I keep coming back to the question, even with the name of my podcast, like, Am I okay? Will I be okay? What’s happening with me? As a highly sensitive person, we tend to notice these things more so than like the average person. So today, I’m so glad to have this guest on the show to help us, as highly sensitive people, cultivate our strengths, and to learn that our own sensitivity become a healing force in our lives. Today’s guest is Greg Wieting. Greg helps you heal the anxiety, depression, chronic pain and trauma you can’t think or talk your way out of. He is the founder of Prisma, fusing trauma, neuroscience, and energy medicine with somatic and mindfulness-based practices. He developed Prisma on his own healing journey that included unraveling a severe curve in his spine and standing three inches taller today. Oh, wow. Over the last two decades, Greg has helped thousands heal through his one-on-one practice, and now his online course Community make healing practical and accessible to all. Welcome to the show, Greg. [GREG WIETING] Hi, Lisa. Thanks for having me. Great to be here. [LISA] Yes, you’re very welcome. Great to have you on the show. Before we get started, and as my audience knows, I’d like to ask all my guests, do you consider yourself a highly sensitive person or not? [GREG] Yes, I do. I didn’t know what that was for a long time. In my early years of healing, I was actually working with another healer and and it was when I was developing my craft and not fully understanding the gift I had. He just, this is a practitioner who saw in a full practice, he had treated thousands of patients throughout his career. He just said, “You’re the most sensitive person I’ve ever met.” Receiving that, it struck me. I, now I take that as a great compliment and I really honor that sensitivity, but back then that felt overwhelming. I didn’t know what to do with it. I wasn’t sure how to take that that comment then but now I have a lot of awareness and tools that have helped me develop a lot of, make a lot of sense out of that sensitivity. [LISA] I couldn’t imagine, that’s a bold statement and like, what do you do with that statement? Did you feel like you wanted to hide or like, oh no, I’ve been called out or something like that? [GREG] Yes, it was a little jarring, but the context of our relationship and the work we had done was part of the journey of making sense of it, for sure part of, an awakening to it. I think I felt the impact of that sensitivity throughout my life but when we bring more awareness to that sensitivity, then it can become a powerful force where we can really work with it in meaningful ways. [LISA] Please share with us about your own healing journey. [GREG] I wasn’t looking for a spiritual practice or a healing path. I more stumbled I stumbled upon it. I’d been living with chronic pain, the severe curve in my spine was just pretty debilitating. In my adolescence and in college it was mostly just medicating with drugs and alcohol and I realized after college that really wasn’t the right route for me to continue on. So I was really steps away from antidepressants and pain meds. I just thought that that was the next step for me. I was friends with a massage therapist who offered me a massage, and I was just living in so much chronic pain that the thought of physical touch just repelled me. I didn’t want to massage but she introduced me to Reiki and energy medicine and said that she could work without physical touch or without physical pressure or force a gentle touch. I was open to that because I had implicit trust in her even though it was something I’d never heard of, and just was yes, seemed otherworldly. I was open to it and realized I had found something I didn’t even know what I was looking for. I just felt the chronic tension and holding and all of this guarding and protection and rigidity within my body that I was actually pretty identified with. That was just who I was. I didn’t know anything different, but I just felt a deep exhale and I could feel just some of that starting to soften and melt. So I was like, all right, there’s something here. There’s something here to investigate. So over the next year I continued to have a handful of sessions with her, and then I began studying Reiki and energy medicine, which then catapulted me on the path I’m on today. [LISA] Wow, are you a Reiki practitioner? [GREG] Yes, I am a Reiki master teacher, and Prisma is the healing system that I’ve developed over the years, which incorporates trauma and neuroscience with the somatic in mindfulness-based practices. So I fuse all that entire knowledge base into the application of a hands on healing practice with Reiki. [LISA] Oh, wow, that sounds fascinating. Can you share with us what a session would look like? [GREG] Well, there’s no cookie-cutter approach to how I work. The work is very much responsive to what is arising for my clients. So I like to use the imagery that the body is symphony orchestra and so all of our emotions and our thoughts and our memories and our beliefs and our tissues and our cells and our muscles and our bones, they’re all vibration. When we’re living in health, all of those vibrations are in a harmonic resonance where there’s a music, a musicality to our being. There’s a resonance. When we start to experience stress or trauma or just the adverse experiences in life, intergenerational patterns, toxins from the environment, we start, the nervous system starts to short circuit. So what once was music starts to create, starts to sound like a lot of noise. Communication starts to break down between all of these different parts. Energy medicine is really helping to break up the noise to help the system restore a harmonic resonance within itself. When I was working in person there’d be lots of laying of hands and that contact there’s just so much understanding around the power of touch, how that calms the cardiovascular system, how there’s a marked increase in white blood cell activity, so it boosts the immune system, how it helps to shift us into the rest and digest of the parasympathetic nervous system and all of which is then just helping the body’s innate wisdom come online. Innate wisdom is the term coined Chiropractic where if we have a paper cut, let’s say there’s this healing mechanism that sends platos and proteins and orchestrates all of these biochemical transmissions to heal the paper cut and that’s happening without us having to think about it or will it or effort it. So this healing mechanism or this innate wisdom, we get disconnected from. So energy medicine, Reiki is helping us realign to this innate wisdom, so healing can happen. I often invite my clients and my students to, I think in our world we’re so conditioned to work hard to yield some gain; no pain, no gain. So we think we have to like effort and force our way through the world to get results. Energy medicine is actually helping us just rest into more of our essential nature where then healing can happen without us having to figure it out intellectually. So we often get to bypass the brain and just get more in touch with that innate wisdom, so not only does the paper cut heal, but the mal adaptations to trauma and stress start to come into more of a harmonic resonance. [LISA] Wow, I love that. I just love how you just explained that. That was really beautiful. I was thinking as you’re explaining it too, is that what I hear a lot just recently just for working with clients is not seeing color in their life. Everything just looks black and white and there’s no color, so just like that harmonic residents it’s not there. Really wanting that, again, how do I bring color back into my life? I also work with energy healing and Reiki, and I believe that our body knows exactly how to heal itself and it knows just at what speed it needs to heal, even though we may want to be like, we were here today, we want to be way over there by tomorrow. Just hurry and get this over with and done with. But no, the body like unravels itself at the speed that it can handle. So just really trusting that piece that we can heal ourselves and it takes as much time as it needs and really time is really irrelevant and healing. [GREG] Yes, I agree. I think that’s the gift of Reiki too, where if we can let go of an attachment to outcome, I think Reiki and a hands-on healing practice, energy medicine is just helping us meet ourselves where we are. I think that’s at the heart of a mindfulness-based practice too. It’s to broaden our window of tolerance. So we, excuse me, have a capacity to be with what is. Instead of forcing ourselves to get somewhere that we think we need to be healing is really about honoring and acknowledging what is with compassion. But in that honoring and in that acknowledgement, it meets the body, the brain, and the nervous system where it’s at and that affords it the capacity to restructure and reorganize for the highest good. So I think there’s something really honoring about the practice. That’s counterintuitive because often pain is bringing us to a healing practice so when I was living in chronic pain, it’ll be really easy for me to come to my Reiki practice and with the curve of my spine it was so much guarding and protecting around my heart so I could show up to my practice, with this agenda that I just want to open my heart and I want to open up this tension. But there’s something a little violent about that because it’s not, it’s rejecting the experience I’m having in my body and in my heart, in my spine, because I’m telling myself I want it to be something other than what it is. That usually doesn’t work out so well because then we start to fight against experience instead of honor experience. I’ve found over the years that just the simplicity of Reiki is is so honoring of where we’re at but in that honoring then, yes, that innate wisdom can have a surge and really that re-patterning and that organizational intelligence of our life force can come back online and then healing becomes more of a happening and more of an allowing and less of a doing. [LISA] Okay. Going back to standing three inches taller, did that happen automatically, like in this one session, was that gradually over time? Were you just surprised one day that oh my gosh, I think I maybe taller. What happened here? [GREG] Yes, no, definitely gradual, which I appreciate you sharing that healing has its own time and I’m very much appreciate a trauma-informed approach to healing where we’re not forcing change to happen that is beyond the capacity of the body and the brain and the nervous system to make sense of. I think it’s important to titrate experience. So we make contact with parts of our lived experience in bite size pieces so we don’t bite off more than we can chew. So yes, there’s another form of energy medicine that I practice called Body Talk, which is a more comprehensive healthcare system that involves neuromuscular biofeedback. What that does is, again, it restores that internal communication so that symphony orchestra can come back online. I think it was just my second session with my practitioner who was also a therapist and a Reiki teacher. She was working with all of these modalities in tandem and in body talk she was starting to balance some hormones to some emotions, to some memories and as she did that those vibrations are now starting to have a greater harmonic resonance within my system But as those vibrations start to harmonize, it’s going to have a ripple effect on every other part of my system. So, yes, after that second session, I got off the table and my spine started to crack and there was this unraveling. I’d say I was at least a half inch taller in that second session, if not a little more. Yes, that was, I was a little lightheaded and that was pretty remarkable. So, yes, that unraveling has continued over the last 20 years. A lot of that is more through the subtle energy medicine and mindfulness meditation and now I have more of an embodied practice. There’s over 14 years of a dedicated yoga practice and weight training but I believe that the deepest unraveling of the spine was more by tending to the subtle energy body. Then in doing so, because energy medicine and Reiki is working with the least dense vibrations in our body all the way to the more dense, but the emotions, the memories, the beliefs, the traumas that are stored in the tissues that are then impacting our physiology, the stagnation of emotion that then creates congestion and inflammation and all of that’s stored in our connective tissue and the connective tissue is what pulls on the muscles and bones and that creates the costuming of our body. So when my body was organized around pain and protection and guarding that was an entire identity that I was carrying. So the energy medicine, the Reiki helps to dissolve the imprints and the residue of trauma and helped to neutralize the charge of these imprints so then the framework of my life becomes more neutral. It’s no longer organized around guarding or protecting or fear or pain. Then that just allows my whole system to then no longer be held in that vibration. [LISA] I’m curious, as a body starts to shift, starts to change, and does the mind, so there’s like the body, mind connection in the mind can be very tricky and very strong willed and say, don’t believe it, this isn’t real or it can’t change. Did you experience anything like that? [GREG] Yes, I think there’s always a two-steps forward, one step back, and we move into a more expanded experience of who we are. Then we’ll feel the tug of some of the old contracted patterns. I think each time we ebb back into that contraction, there’s just more data points together. Maybe there’s a little bit more of the wound that wants some attention and some port. So yes, it’s definitely not a linear direct path. I think there is some tension in that. I find with energy medicine, I think there’s some understandings that there’s like top down and bottom up processing where some of us need to grock something intellectually and when the light bulb goes off in our head, then we can experience a shift in our physical body. Then some of us process more in the body first, and then we can feel it differently in the body and then the light bulb goes off in our head. What I find with energy medicine is that we’re healing in a multidirectional way where for example, I may work with a client and we’re working with an infectious allergen. We’re helping their immune system start to flush out, say a virus, and then all of a sudden, they have a big emotional release or vice versa. We might do an emotional release and then the client has immune response where they spike a fever, and they have flulike symptoms because then their body, when it’s no longer holding onto that emotion can then, the immune system that was compromised by that stored emotion can come back online and then do its job to resolve an infectious allergen that was stored and unable to get processed. So I think that’s the elegance of energy medicine is that we might see a shift in a belief which then all of a sudden is experienced as a new expression of mobility in the hips, or vice versa, like all of a sudden, like the ankle. Because the body is a metaphor for the subconscious and the unconscious mind. So hips are about mobility, ankles, decision making, do I turn right or left? I may have a client coming in and they have a sprained ankle and it’s like, oh, was there a difficult decision that you had coming up? Maybe the sprained ankle forced us to make a decision, “Oh, well I can’t go on that hike this weekend, so now I’ll take care of my business.” In that sense, I feel that with energy medicine we can address some of these shifts physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually in tandem, in relationship to each other to maybe experience less of that jerkiness. But I think expansion and contraction is just the dance of life. So I think that’s inherently going to be a part of healing and growth. [LISA] How do you work with clients that have chronic pain? As I see it from my experience, there’s so much suffering and just pain in itself can be agonizing and to a point where it’s like, I just don’t want to experience this. This is too much, and how can I even believe that something different can happen that this can lessen, this can change, this could go away? [GREG] Well, I think all of my work, whether it’s addressing chronic pain, anxiety, depression, trauma I’m not really focused on those pain points. My focus is to treat the full person. I’ll joke with my clients and we’ll say, “Well, let’s see what your innate wisdom wants to do today. Let’s see how your body wants to work around this.” I think that gives my clients just a little ease in, okay, we don’t have to focus on the problem. Instead we’re focusing on that organizational intelligence, but in that process, we start to unearth because of the chronic pain is just the tip of the iceberg. What we’re going to address in healing is what rests beneath the surface. If I just reflect on a few present clients that have been struggling with chronic pain one was actually more struggling with migraines, shoulder neck pain, and that turned into be a lot of shame tied into sexuality. Another client dealing with lots of pain was organized and like thoracic outlet syndrome. Then that was really tied into just abandonment pieces and just their attachment style. So as we start to help their body start to restructure around these emotional pieces, then how that’s manifesting physically starts to shift. And that’s unique for each of us. And there’s also times where I have one client that literally was on bedrest and medical leave because their pain was so severe and they did not identify with trauma. The course of our work together we didn’t really surface deep wounding emotional or psychological or otherwise. Their chronic pain was mal adaptations to just other physical ailments that had just just piled on one another until it really short circuited their body’s ability to heal. But again, instead of focusing on the problem or the pain point, we’re just continuing to just break up the noise so that that innate wisdom can come back online. So we just are more in alignment with our truth, our heart, our wisdom a sense of belonging within ourselves. That’s a really unique journey for each of us. [LISA] It’s wonderful that you get to hold that space for each individual client and I hear just meeting them where they’re at. Like you may have your own ideas about which direction this can go. It is also taking that step back as the, like the practitioner just going to, okay, this is not my journey. This is my client’s journey and I’m going to meet them where they’re at. I like to lead like at least one step behind and let them be the driving force in their own healing. [GREG] 100%. I’m all about following. It’s true, certain things may be presenting with clients and I may get a hunch and I may think, oh, today’s session’s going to go in this direction that occasionally it does. But I love when I’m surprised and that, oh, it’s like, oh, who knew that it would actually take us to this place where I had a client that was coming in for infertility and they’d already done all the fertility treatments and they’d seen the pelvic floor specialists. So I figured we’d continue to be working in their reproductive system and perhaps there was trauma stored more in their uterus or in their pelvic floor. But what we discovered was that there was a holding pattern in their cranium, in their occiput from when they had a concussion at age five. Their body guided us there, because again, I’m working with neuromuscular biofeedback, so I’m playing detective and just asking the bodies innate wisdom where it wants our attention. So it took us to the occiput and we did this release of the cranium, but all of a sudden there was like a huge release of emotion through the pelvic floor, but that emotion would not have released to the pelvic floor had we not released the occiput. So we may as well ask the body what it needs instead of telling it because we’re going to get much better results that way. Again, we’re going to just honor people where they’re at. Then it takes the guessing work out of it. We don’t have to scratch our heads so much to try to figure anything out. We just ask [LISA] I love that. Can you share with the audience where the occiput so they can make that connection, the different points and like, wow, look at that. [GREG] The occiput is like the base of the skull where the head and the neck meet. There is a big relationship musculoskeletal between the pelvic floor and the jaw and just the skull. We may have an injury in one area, but then the impact of that injury gets transferred elsewhere. That’s why it’s really good to not chase or treat symptoms, but to just take a few steps back and see that that symptom that might be presenting in one localized area is part of a much larger tapestry. Again, coming back to the wisdom, that takes time. We live in a culture that we just want to get right to it. It takes patience, it takes time and it takes trust. I think when we develop relationships with the practitioners or the mentors or the teachers, for me having experienced such an arc of transformation within myself I can hold that space for my clients where I can be that beacon for them. So if they don’t yet trust that arc of transformation for themselves, I’m holding that awareness of possibility. That helps people yes, relax into that cadence of slowing down to be present with what is now so we don’t fast forward and skip ahead of these important pieces. Because again, I’m always looking through the lens of trauma, which trauma is often imprinted when we lack support and it’s too much too soon. So it’s historically what has been overwhelming and that we haven’t been able to process metabolize or make sense of. So a lot of healing is slowing down so we can retroactively make sense of these pieces. I lovingly joke that my work is to really just help people feel their pain but we don’t have to harbor that in isolation it can help our system assimilate it or digest it, transform it in a way that helps us move through it. [LISA] Yes, I totally agree with that. Just shifting gears, how has your own sensitivity been one of your greatest strengths as you have learned to cultivate it? [GREG] So much of that piece around growing in our capacity to feel pain, how much of our lived experience do we want to just brush under the carpet? I think my own sensitivity is what allows me to do the work I do and to shine a light on different parts for folks. That’s also through my willingness to do that for myself. In Chinese medicine we talk about way chi, which is this energetic layer of discernment and protection that’s just on and above the skin and below the skin. It helps us protect us from an environment that might be too much or toxic or overwhelming but then it also is the discernment that, not everything in the environment’s bad and harmful. There’s things that I can learn from and grow. Through that lens, I think a lot of my work has been developing an awareness to my sensitivity. Like, I think when I went through maybe my first, actually it was probably the first time I taught Reiki myself, there was just such a deepening of my awareness to the subtle body and the subtle senses. That was overwhelming. I remember after that first weekend going out to dinner with my partner at the time and walking down the street and I could just see everyone’s trauma in their body walking down the street. That wasn’t helpful. I just want to enjoy my night, have a nice dinner. So the sensitivity that isn’t helpful, and that can be overwhelming, it’s like, we need to learn how to refine it. I think the tools that I’ve learned over the years have helped me, so instead of focusing, just to go back to that same example of pain stored in the pelvis, it’s like, oh, I’ve trained my awareness. Well, actually we need to focus on the occiput first and release what’s held there and then the pain stored in the pelvis will process itself on it’s own. So honing in on what is a priority? Where is it a priority for me to hone my senses in this moment? Developing that sensitivity, that discernment and that awareness now allows me to use my sensitivity as like a microscope or I don’t know, another, but it helps me magnify it in ways that are helpful. I learn, sometimes you learn these lessons pretty quick, that weekend where all of a sudden I was walking down the street seeing everyone’s trauma, I knew I didn’t want to continue that way. I learned how to hone my senses pretty quick to not be overwhelmed by my sensitivity. But a lot of that was too, I think when that, when that one practitioner said that I was the most sensitive person I knew, I think it was jarring. I think I probably felt some shame about that like, oh, is that a bad thing? So owning it and realizing, no, it’s a beautiful thing, it’s a gift. Yet I think the greatest gifts we need to learn how to hone because it’s like an instrument and we need to learn how to play that instrument, and that takes practice. [LISA] I love that example that you gave about noticing everyone’s trauma and that sounds exactly like a highly sensitive person, just seeing or feeling everyone’s stuff. It’s so key to know that, okay, I don’t have to take this on. I can keep that over there and not really, learning, like you said, that discernment about what’s mine and what is theirs. So I like to use the term, this is me and that is you. Or just being careful, being mindful of that empathy that wants to just like, just heal everybody, hold everybody, love everybody. If you’re not discerning between the two, that’s when we can really feel burn out or we feel like, wow, this is just way too much. Then we end up in a therapy room or a healing room because what happened? Something happened to me and I’m not sure. That’s an awakening process too. [GREG] Absolutely. I had a conversation with a client this morning mine, not mine. Theirs was more around attachment wounding. They did not have reliable, consistent emotional attunement or care from their parents. So at a very early age, they became the mother. Then now their job is to care for everyone all the time and they are super hyper aware of everyone else’s needs and of what could possibly go wrong here, there, everywhere, but at the expense of centering their own needs. That’s a way through trauma and attachment that there can be then distortions and that sensitivity where we start to center other people’s experiences over our own. So yes, it’s a reorganizing of our awareness. [LISA] I think that’s also, a name for that is people pleasing. So what would you like Greg, for our listeners to take away from our conversation today? [GREG] Well, for those that are struggling with sensitivity there are tools and practices to hone in on that sensitivity and for it to become a healing force for good and that healing’s possible. There’s no one answer. I like the imagery that one of my students, I often will ask when we start a training session what brought you here oe why are you here? One student said that she had just been following breadcrumbs along the way on her healing path. So breadcrumbs may take us to one healer. They may take us to another therapist. They may take us to one modality or another teacher, a mentor. Just keep following those breadcrumbs and trusting in that. We’ll just gleam more insight and more awareness and more tools along the way. For me, over time, I think sometimes when we’re in healing, we may feel like we’re in the trenches of our pain, and it’s really hard to look out at the horizon. So we’re really healing is then yes, more motivated to get out of pain but I think once we’re out of those trenches, I think we can stay on a healing path, but instead of, we’re more than organized and inspired to move towards aspiration and possibility. So for me, I don’t live in pain anymore. I no longer experience anxiety or depression like I used to, but I’m still on a healing path and it’s just that one of growth and awareness and I can continue to hone in on my sensitivity and just develop more and more awareness. [LISA] I love that message. It’s very inspiring and just that you’ve been through such a healing process for yourself that you are able to hold that space for someone who may be going through something similar or just knowing that you can get through this, there can be something different and I’m just going to be there with you through this process and you don’t have to do it alone and we’re not meant to do it alone. [GREG] Yes, absolutely. [LISA] Do you have a free gift that you would like to share with my audience? [GREG] Sure. I have, so part of my course is the seven Prisma pillars, which like the drop pins on your roadmap to healing. I help guide you so you understand where you are and where you’re headed and I find it helps people map that arc of transformation from pain to purpose. [LISA] Great. Thank you so much. So everyone take advantage of that. Where can listeners get in touch with you? [GREG] Yes gregwieting.com. It’s W-I-E-T-I-N-G and that’s where they can find the free gift. Yes, I’m available to have a conversation. I think it starts there if folks are interested in working one-on-one or even if they want to jump into the course. The course provides that roadmap, Which is through an eight-week, eight modules over eight weeks with workbooks. That’s doing some of the top down processing, getting your bearing straight of the landscape of healing intellectually. Then there’s the somatic and mindfulness-based practices, which help to take it into the body. Then there’s the self-care energy medicine, a whole Reiki one foundation training, which really helps you work more on the energy, the level of energy and bypass the mind. That’s also prismamethod.com. [LISA] Wow. That sounds amazing. Check that one out for sure. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Greg. It’s been wonderful to have you here. [GREG WIETING] Yes, Thanks for the conversation, Lisa. Pleasure [LISA LEWIS] Thank you, my audience for listening. 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